SEO in Themler - don't repeat Artisteers major flaw

DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 14 April 2015

I need to verify you are not going to repeat the HUGE oversite with Artisteer and SEO structure on templates, Joomla in particular.

As of now Artisteer outputs a SEO disaster that is not even fixable by editing the template after export.

  1. Artisteer = Headline is H1 totally wrong, never have the same H1 tag on all pages and this destroys the opportunity to have a different one since you are NOT supposed to have multiple H1 tags on any page. Can be fixed manually after ever export. Huge pain in the...

  2. Page Heading and Article Title are both H2 and cannot be changed even after export because they are the same class. In Joomla each page can have a Page Heading at the menu level customized for the page outside the page title tag. This is built into Joomla to have full control over SEO and is brilliant. Artisteer is killing this amazing opportunity. This should be an H1 tag and the Article Headings should remain the H2.

Are these going to be working in Themler? God I hope so. This cannot possibly be overlooked again.

I need to verify you are not going to repeat the HUGE oversite with Artisteer and SEO structure on templates, Joomla in particular. As of now Artisteer outputs a SEO disaster that is not even fixable by editing the template after export. 1. Artisteer = Headline is H1 totally wrong, never have the same H1 tag on all pages and this destroys the opportunity to have a different one since you are NOT supposed to have multiple H1 tags on any page. Can be fixed manually after ever export. Huge pain in the... 2. Page Heading and Article Title are both H2 and cannot be changed even after export because they are the same class. In Joomla each page can have a Page Heading at the menu level customized for the page outside the page title tag. This is built into Joomla to have full control over SEO and is brilliant. Artisteer is killing this amazing opportunity. This should be an H1 tag and the Article Headings should remain the H2. Are these going to be working in Themler? God I hope so. This cannot possibly be overlooked again.
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DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 16 April 2015

This is a big deal if you want to be in contention with the big boys.

Hopefully the support team will respond with some information on how they are structuring the content tags in Themeler.

You must be aware and work with each CMS to implement the proper SEO techniques available.

All I am getting over at Artisteer is crickets on this question too. Is it really that difficult to answer a question.

This is a big deal if you want to be in contention with the big boys. Hopefully the support team will respond with some information on how they are structuring the content tags in Themeler. You must be aware and work with each CMS to implement the proper SEO techniques available. All I am getting over at Artisteer is crickets on this question too. Is it really that difficult to answer a question.
Support Team
Support Team posted this 16 April 2015

Hi Dave,

Sorry for the delay.

  1. Headline is H3.
  2. I assume that you mean Single Article layout, right?
    By default Article title is h2. If you need h1 tag on the page you can add Page Title control (Themler Insert >> Other) which creates h1 tag. Then hide Article title in Joomla.

Thank you,
Olivia

Hi Dave, Sorry for the delay. 1. Headline is H3. 2. I assume that you mean Single Article layout, right? By default Article title is h2. If you need h1 tag on the page you can add **Page Title** control (Themler **Insert** >> **Other**) which creates h1 tag. Then hide Article title in Joomla. Thank you, Olivia
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 16 April 2015

Hello, I actually want the article title to show and be the H2. Joomla has an option for Page Heading which can be used for the browser tab title tag and also display on the page. This is what I would want to be an H1 and be there along with the article title. It's sole purpose is for the H1 page tag on each page to be set if you want.

So can this be done? This is the advanced SEO option Joomla has built in and needs to be available for Themler. I can provide more detailed information if needed.

Side note. The page heading option on the Joomla menu item also has an "Alternate" Page Heading field so you can have a different page title tag (browser tab) and the page heading in the content. Very slick but needs to be H1 while articles must remain H2 which is correct now.

If the above method is what you are talking about then that's great. Artisteer has them combined as post header and cannot be separated into a H1 and H2 from what I can tell. Big problem for me and others.

Glad to hear you changed the headline to h3!!

Thanks

Hello, I actually want the article title to show and be the H2. Joomla has an option for Page Heading which can be used for the browser tab title tag and also display on the page. This is what I would want to be an H1 and be there along with the article title. It's sole purpose is for the H1 page tag on each page to be set if you want. So can this be done? This is the advanced SEO option Joomla has built in and needs to be available for Themler. I can provide more detailed information if needed. Side note. The page heading option on the Joomla menu item also has an "Alternate" Page Heading field so you can have a different page title tag (browser tab) and the page heading in the content. Very slick but needs to be H1 while articles must remain H2 which is correct now. If the above method is what you are talking about then that's great. Artisteer has them combined as post header and cannot be separated into a H1 and H2 from what I can tell. Big problem for me and others. Glad to hear you changed the headline to h3!! Thanks
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 16 April 2015

  1. I assume that you mean Single Article layout, right?
    By default Article title is h2. If you need h1 tag on the page you can add Page Title control (Themler Insert >> Other) which creates h1 tag. Then hide Article title in Joomla.

Thank you,
Olivia

Just to be clear. no I do not mean Single Article. I am talking about Page Heading.

So your reference to Page Title control will make the Joomla Page Heading an H1 and the Article titles will be H2?

Thanks

> 2. I assume that you mean Single Article layout, right? > By default Article title is h2. If you need h1 tag on the page you can add **Page Title** control (Themler **Insert** >> **Other**) which creates h1 tag. Then hide Article title in Joomla. > > Thank you, > Olivia Just to be clear. no I do not mean Single Article. I am talking about Page Heading. So your reference to Page Title control will make the Joomla Page Heading an H1 and the Article titles will be H2? Thanks
Support Team
Support Team posted this 17 April 2015

Hello

Here is how it works:

article-headings2.png

Page Title control (Themler Insert >> Other) which creates h1 tag and uses Joomla menu item title or Browser Page Title (Page Display tab) if defined.
Posts Header creates h2 tag and uses Joomla Page Heading.
Post Header creates h2 tag and uses Article title.

You can check how it works on our cloud. Themler demo is free and unlimited except saving. You can't save changes in trial.

Please let us know if you have any other questions.

Thank you,
Olivia

Hello Here is how it works: !article-headings2.png! **Page Title** control (Themler Insert >> Other) which creates h1 tag and uses Joomla menu item title or Browser Page Title (Page Display tab) if defined. **Posts Header** creates h2 tag and uses Joomla Page Heading. **Post Header** creates h2 tag and uses Article title. You can check how it works on our cloud. Themler demo is free and unlimited except saving. You can't save changes in trial. Please let us know if you have any other questions. Thank you, Olivia
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 17 April 2015

This is great news and I am really looking forward to the offline desktop version and artx import options.

Thanks!

This is great news and I am really looking forward to the offline desktop version and artx import options. Thanks!
Support Team
Support Team posted this 17 April 2015

You're welcome!
Please let us know if you have any other questions.

Thank you,
Olivia

You're welcome! Please let us know if you have any other questions. Thank you, Olivia
LGWeb
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LGWeb posted this 11 October 2015

In Wordpress How can I make the Page Title and Page Header Different?

I want H1 and H2 to always act independently.

I have a Page Title.. so when I name my page it sets H1 to the Page Title.. But it is also setting the H2 tag to the same thing...

I want the H1 to be the name of my page.. and H2 to be the Title of the page...

For example.

<h1>SEO Firm</h1>
<h2>Search Engine Specialist</h2>

In Wordpress How can I make the Page Title and Page Header Different? I want H1 and H2 to always act independently. I have a Page Title.. so when I name my page it sets H1 to the Page Title.. But it is also setting the H2 tag to the same thing... I want the H1 to be the name of my page.. and H2 to be the Title of the page... For example. &lt;h1&gt;SEO Firm&lt;/h1&gt; &lt;h2&gt;Search Engine Specialist&lt;/h2&gt;
Support Team
Support Team posted this 12 October 2015

Hello Lorelei,
please refer to the post above
http://answers.themler.com/answers/10491

Only Page Title is displayed as H1. There's no way to change it.

regards,
Aileen

Hello Lorelei, please refer to the post above http://answers.themler.com/answers/10491 Only Page Title is displayed as H1. There's no way to change it. regards, Aileen
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 09 February 2016

Hello, I have started testing again and found this is not correct as per how Joomla is set up to function.

Joomla was designed so you can just kill in SEO by using the exact structure Google/Bing is looking for. This was done with very careful thought and you are very close but you need to not use the Browser Page Title on the page, but only in the tab and then let the Page Heading show on the page as H1. Just change the Page Title to use the Page Heading assigned in the Joomla Menu Items settings shown below.

This is Imperative

  1. A custom browser page title in the browsers tab (does not show on page)
  2. Then a Page Heading which is you single H1 tag for that page and is customized
  3. Then you have your Article titles that are H2 tags for the second set of keywords
  4. Content would contain the H3 and the module titles

Your Page Heading is not showing, if I add the Page Title like your instructions you get the Browser Page Title which is not supposed to show up on the page but only for alternate SEO "Title Tag" in the browser tab.

The Page Heading is supposed to be the H1 tag you can use for each page to be fully SEO compliant.

Blog or article titles are H2.

So here is your template with the Page Title inserted like you instructed above.

browser-title.jpg

Now here is the Joomla menu item settings which show what is what.

browser-title2.jpg

Here is the Protostar template

protoblogpage.jpg

The Page Heading is indeed the H1

H1-proto.jpg

Hello, I have started testing again and found this is not correct as per how Joomla is set up to function. Joomla was designed so you can just kill in SEO by using the exact structure Google/Bing is looking for. This was done with very careful thought and you are very close but you need to not use the Browser Page Title on the page, but only in the tab and then let the Page Heading show on the page as H1. Just change the Page Title to use the Page Heading assigned in the Joomla Menu Items settings shown below. This is ***Imperative*** 1. A custom browser page title in the browsers tab (does not show on page) 2. Then a Page Heading which is you single H1 tag for that page and is customized 3. Then you have your Article titles that are H2 tags for the second set of keywords 4. Content would contain the H3 and the module titles Your Page Heading is not showing, if I add the Page Title like your instructions you get the Browser Page Title which is not supposed to show up on the page but only for alternate SEO "Title Tag" in the browser tab. The Page Heading is supposed to be the H1 tag you can use for each page to be fully SEO compliant. Blog or article titles are H2. So here is your template with the Page Title inserted like you instructed above. !browser-title.jpg! Now here is the Joomla menu item settings which show what is what. !browser-title2.jpg! Here is the Protostar template !protoblogpage.jpg! The Page Heading is indeed the H1 !H1-proto.jpg!
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 09 February 2016

To be clear, yes the Browser Page Title would be used if you set it to yes in the menu settings and leave the Page Heading empty, but if you enter the Page Heading it should use that instead.

You do not want to have the page H1 match the browser page title if you want to fully optimize for SEO.

I have gotten website search results in major cities for such things as Law Firms on page one top of page organically using this system. Artisteer did not do this and will not fix it and I am confident you will rectify this.

You can look up any of these points on Moz or any other SEO website and the Joomla system that supports these techniques.

Thank you for fixing this. Or if you have a method of doing it now I await your instructions.

To be clear, yes the Browser Page Title would be used if you set it to yes in the menu settings and leave the Page Heading empty, but if you enter the Page Heading it should use that instead. You do not want to have the page H1 match the browser page title if you want to fully optimize for SEO. I have gotten website search results in major cities for such things as Law Firms on page one top of page organically using this system. Artisteer did not do this and will not fix it and I am confident you will rectify this. You can look up any of these points on Moz or any other SEO website and the Joomla system that supports these techniques. Thank you for fixing this. Or if you have a method of doing it now I await your instructions.
Support Team
Support Team posted this 16 February 2016

Hi,

Sorry for the delay.
I see your point.
I've offered our developers your idea:

To be clear, yes the Browser Page Title would be used if you set it to yes in the menu settings and leave the Page Heading empty, but if you enter the Page Heading it should use that instead.

They will consider it for future updates.

Thank you,
Olivia

Hi, Sorry for the delay. I see your point. I've offered our developers your idea: > To be clear, yes the Browser Page Title would be used if you set it to yes in the menu settings and leave the Page Heading empty, but if you enter the Page Heading it should use that instead. They will consider it for future updates. Thank you, Olivia
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 16 February 2016

Hello, thanks for getting back to me. I don't really consider this an idea so much as how every other Joomla template works and how Joomla is designed to work. Even Artisteer got this part right. No professional template does this way why would you want to?

Simply put the Browser Page Title, if entered, will replace (menu item name) in the title tab text.

The Page Heading, if set to yes, will show the menu item name or the custom entry.

This is how it is designed to work. It's not really optional. I am very much hoping you are going to do more than consider this. I feel like you are taking this as a request for my custom system configuration.

Sincerely,
Dave

Hello, thanks for getting back to me. I don't really consider this an idea so much as how every other Joomla template works and how Joomla is designed to work. Even Artisteer got this part right. No professional template does this way why would you want to? Simply put the Browser Page Title, if entered, will replace (menu item name) in the title tab text. The Page Heading, if set to yes, will show the menu item name or the custom entry. This is how it is designed to work. It's not really optional. I am very much hoping you are going to do more than consider this. I feel like you are taking this as a request for my custom system configuration. Sincerely, Dave
Stagger Lee
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Stagger Lee posted this 16 February 2016

Can someone tell me what is this option "Show title" in Posts options in WordPress ?
I dont see any difference activated or not. Not even in name of browser tab.

Can someone tell me what is this option "Show title" in Posts options in WordPress ? I dont see any difference activated or not. Not even in name of browser tab.
Support Team
Support Team posted this 18 February 2016

Hi,

Can someone tell me what is this option "Show title" in Posts options in WordPress ?

If one of you pages is marked as WP Posts page the "Show Title" option will show the title of this page as H2:

blog-title.png

If you need H1 please use Page Title control.

Thank you,
Olivia

Hi, > Can someone tell me what is this option "Show title" in Posts options in WordPress ? If one of you pages is marked as WP Posts page the "Show Title" option will show the title of this page as H2: !blog-title.png! If you need H1 please use Page Title control. Thank you, Olivia
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 23 February 2016

Update: The component template does indeed use the correct H1 tag when the Page Heading is shown.

The Blog and Page Templates are H2.

Probably just an oversight but please fix this asap. I especially want to use this Page Heading and Article Title combination for my current project that needs advanced SEO done.

Thank you

Update: The component template does indeed use the correct H1 tag when the Page Heading is shown. The Blog and Page Templates are H2. Probably just an oversight but please fix this asap. I especially want to use this Page Heading and Article Title combination for my current project that needs advanced SEO done. Thank you
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 11 March 2016

So to enforce this I see the Joomla documentation does indeed state this to be how they intended their system to work.

Show Page Heading: (Yes/No). Show / Hide the Browser Page Title in the heading of the page ( If no optional text entered - will default to value based on the Menu Item Title ). The Page heading is usually displayed inside the "H1" tag.

https://docs.joomla.org/Help34:Menus_Menu_Item_Manager_Edit#Page_Display

I just want to use this feature like it was built into the Joomla system as intended for SEO purposes. Why was this done differently and why won't this be updated to an H1 tag?

So to enforce this I see the Joomla documentation does indeed state this to be how they intended their system to work. > Show Page Heading: (Yes/No). Show / Hide the Browser Page Title in the heading of the page ( If no optional text entered - will default to value based on the Menu Item Title ). The Page heading is usually **displayed inside the "H1" tag.** https://docs.joomla.org/Help34:Menus_Menu_Item_Manager_Edit#Page_Display I just want to use this feature like it was built into the Joomla system as intended for SEO purposes. Why was this done differently and why won't this be updated to an H1 tag?
Support Team posted this 14 March 2016

Hi,

I created a task and assigned it to our developers. Unfortunately I can't say when this issue will be implemented. Currently it has low priority.

In the meantime please use the provided workaround.

Thank you,
Olivia

Hi, I created a task and assigned it to our developers. Unfortunately I can't say when this issue will be implemented. Currently it has low priority. In the meantime please use the provided workaround. Thank you, Olivia
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 24 August 2016

Hello, so 5 months have gone by. Have your developers had time to correct this yet? I have seen 20 updates since you assigned this.

Thank you

Hello, so 5 months have gone by. Have your developers had time to correct this yet? I have seen 20 updates since you assigned this. Thank you
Support Team
Support Team posted this 25 August 2016

Hi,

No, unfortunately. The task is backlog as many others.
Because of a low number of user requests it has low priority.

Thank you,
Olivia

Hi, No, unfortunately. The task is backlog as many others. Because of a low number of user requests it has low priority. Thank you, Olivia
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