Very angry with the community and dev team

gcg
60 Posts
gcg posted this 2 weeks ago

Hi,

I am very angry with the Themler community and dev team.

  1. Themler is not difficult, its false, saying that is like saying that Bootstrap or Joomla/Wordpress are also, when they exist to simplify things that really are difficult to do if they did not exist. Anyone can learn to use Themler (with interest) in 1 or 2 days. Has anyone learned to create iOS o android Apps in 1 or 2 days? It is not a matter of difficulty, may be low interest or mental capacity? I don't know.

  2. The problem is that people want that Themler create for them a professional website with optimized source code, very fast load and pretty with the only effort to push maximum 5 buttons, and that is simply impossible. Responsive web design is not like this, if you are going to make a template for Joomla or Wordpress learn to use these CMS before. Themler is based on (powerfull) bootstrap, learn it too (before), and then you will understand the real and unlimited potential of this tool.

  3. It's a software that saves hours and hours in each web project. I use it with Joomla 3.7 without any real problems. There may be small issues, but with little knowledge of the CMS are solved without further complication. I do with Themler any type of template that you can think, because is based on Bootstrap and support Joomla/Wordpress. If someone can not, it is not because of limitations or problems of Themler, it is because of their own personal limitations, and that I'm not a full-stack developer.

  4. Less complain, more work and more help other users when you know the solution to something. I'm sorry but Is what I think when I see the comments of many users of this community, too craying babies that does not want to learn I see around here. And no, I am not part of Themler's team, nor gain anything by saying this.

  5. I also have a complaint for BillionDigital. You have accepted as valid the opinions of bad users of the community. You are taking the effort that they are not doing for laziness. With the new application you are getting into a high competition problem that compromises the future of Themler and the new software (I have tried). It would've been easier for you to create Themler manuals, guides or videos than to create other software, and now your dev team have to develop and maintain both, when you have already said that you do not have enough staff for it.

I do not expect anything from this writing, I just needed to say it out loud.

Regards

Hi, I am very angry with the Themler community and dev team. 1. **Themler is not difficult**, its false, saying that is like saying that Bootstrap or Joomla/Wordpress are also, when they exist to simplify things that really are difficult to do if they did not exist. Anyone can learn to use Themler (with interest) in 1 or 2 days. Has anyone learned to create iOS o android Apps in 1 or 2 days? It is not a matter of difficulty, may be low interest or mental capacity? I don't know. 2. **The problem** is that people want that Themler create for them a professional website with optimized source code, very fast load and pretty with the only effort to push maximum 5 buttons, and that is simply impossible. Responsive web design is not like this, if you are going to make a template for Joomla or Wordpress learn to use these CMS before. Themler is based on (powerfull) bootstrap, learn it too (before), and then you will understand the real and unlimited potential of this tool. 3. **It's a software that saves hours and hours in each web project**. I use it with Joomla 3.7 without any real problems. There may be small issues, but with little knowledge of the CMS are solved without further complication. I do with Themler any type of template that you can think, because is based on Bootstrap and support Joomla/Wordpress. If someone can not, it is not because of limitations or problems of Themler, it is because of their own personal limitations, and that I'm not a full-stack developer. 4. **Less complain, more work and more help other users when you know the solution to something**. I'm sorry but Is what I think when I see the comments of many users of this community, too craying babies that does not want to learn I see around here. And no, I am not part of Themler's team, nor gain anything by saying this. 5. **I also have a complaint for BillionDigital**. You have accepted as valid the opinions of bad users of the community. You are taking the effort that they are not doing for laziness. With the new application you are getting into a high competition problem that compromises the future of Themler and the new software (I have tried). It would've been easier for you to create Themler manuals, guides or videos than to create other software, and now your dev team have to develop and maintain both, when you have already said that you do not have enough staff for it. I do not expect anything from this writing, I just needed to say it out loud. Regards

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Stagger Lee
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Stagger Lee posted this 2 weeks ago

I am also angry at dev / management team.

Now they are making this new thing separate from Themler and losing time on it. All they needed to say to beginners is: No easy money by creating websites, unless you spend at least two weeks learning Themler.

OK, with more dimplomatic and bureaucratic words of course.

Themler was supposed to be unique tool.
For few clicks and theme is finished, we all have another tools for visual theme editing. Plenty of them and very cheap.

What is the point to send developers home, because their working hour costs a lot. Then hire new, or same, developers to make new thing for very beginners. (I assume developers were hired by task, for short time. Because now Themler doesnt follow latest CMS updates for 2 years)

Here have we the same stupid thing for 34$:
https://vc.wpbakery.com/

I am also angry at dev / management team. Now they are making this new thing separate from Themler and losing time on it. All they needed to say to beginners is: No easy money by creating websites, unless you spend at least two weeks learning Themler. OK, with more dimplomatic and bureaucratic words of course. Themler was supposed to be unique tool. For few clicks and theme is finished, we all have another tools for visual theme editing. Plenty of them and very cheap. What is the point to send developers home, because their working hour costs a lot. Then hire new, or same, developers to make new thing for very beginners. (I assume developers were hired by task, for short time. Because now Themler doesnt follow latest CMS updates for 2 years) Here have we the same stupid thing for 34$: [https://vc.wpbakery.com/][1] [1]: https://vc.wpbakery.com/

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DaveOzric
540 Posts
DaveOzric posted this 2 weeks ago

I am confused by the new product only because they don't really market the current one. I'm just glad it's not some replacement.

I am confused by the new product only because they don't really market the current one. I'm just glad it's not some replacement.
Vitaliy WD
194 Posts
Vitaliy WD posted this 2 weeks ago

I'm agree... and here is my post from 10 June 2017 about this situation:

Many of Themler users don't want to learn how work with Themler, what
is Bootrstap, Grid system, basic CSS options etc. They want create
"awesome" websites with few mouse clicks. Sad but truth.

So this "new product" for this kind of users...

And yes, I think this is wrong way: create this "new product"... there
is already many SaaS alternatives, but Themler is unique.

IMHO need to focus on Themler, on its usability and optimization and
position Themler as professional product for users who know something
about web development and design or want to learn.

Themler is great product and save a lot of time... there no need to
know all CSS/HTML tricks, LESS, JS, PHP, MySQL etc... but need to know
basics.

And about documentation and what need to know to start work with Themler (IMHO) from 23 February 2017:

Here is a few thoughts about documentation. Maybe this will be helpful
for someone.

Themler based on Bootstrap framework and works with several CMS.

So, first of all (IMHO) need to know:
1. What is HTML and CSS
2. What is Bootstrap and how it works - grid system etc.
3. Features and possibilities of CMS
4. How Themler works

And here is example of documentation:
1. HTML and CSS: there is many online documentation, books, courses
2. Bootstrap: http://getbootstrap.com/css/
3. If we take a Joomla: https://docs.joomla.org/
4. And Themler: http://answers.themler.com/Doc

Themler GUI not so hard - few days to learn in practice first steps.

**I'm agree... and here is my post from 10 June 2017 about this situation:** > Many of Themler users don't want to learn how work with Themler, what > is Bootrstap, Grid system, basic CSS options etc. They want create > "awesome" websites with few mouse clicks. Sad but truth. > > So this "new product" for this kind of users... > > And yes, I think this is wrong way: create this "new product"... there > is already many SaaS alternatives, but Themler is unique. > > IMHO need to focus on Themler, on its usability and optimization and > position Themler as professional product for users who know something > about web development and design or want to learn. > > Themler is great product and save a lot of time... there no need to > know all CSS/HTML tricks, LESS, JS, PHP, MySQL etc... but need to know > basics. **And about documentation and what need to know to start work with Themler (IMHO) from 23 February 2017:** > Here is a few thoughts about documentation. Maybe this will be helpful > for someone. > > Themler based on Bootstrap framework and works with several CMS. > > So, first of all (IMHO) need to know: > 1. What is HTML and CSS > 2. What is Bootstrap and how it works - grid system etc. > 3. Features and possibilities of CMS > 4. How Themler works > > And here is example of documentation: > 1. HTML and CSS: there is many online documentation, books, courses > 2. Bootstrap: http://getbootstrap.com/css/ > 3. If we take a Joomla: https://docs.joomla.org/ > 4. And Themler: http://answers.themler.com/Doc > > Themler GUI not so hard - few days to learn in practice first steps.
DaveOzric
540 Posts
DaveOzric posted this 2 weeks ago

Like anything that can do as much as this I think people need to understand you have to invest time in learning. You could easily complain about Photoshop cause it's very complex and takes a huge amount of time to learn the program.

I think for what this software does it's pretty amazing and appreciate it. They are slowly fixing my issues so I am happy now.

As long as they continue to support the CMS and fix bugs I am now content.

Like anything that can do as much as this I think people need to understand you have to invest time in learning. You could easily complain about Photoshop cause it's very complex and takes a huge amount of time to learn the program. I think for what this software does it's pretty amazing and appreciate it. They are slowly fixing my issues so I am happy now. As long as they continue to support the CMS and fix bugs I am now content.
Malinka
38 Posts
Malinka posted this 2 weeks ago

I love Themler and use it to create Wordpress themes. But i never use Themler to create content, for that i use https://vc.wpbakery.com/

Yes Themler is harder to learn than Artisteer but once you've learned you'll never go back.

Keep on rocking Themler

Best Regards
Malinka

I love Themler and use it to create Wordpress themes. But i never use Themler to create content, for that i use https://vc.wpbakery.com/ Yes Themler is harder to learn than Artisteer but once you've learned you'll never go back. Keep on rocking Themler Best Regards Malinka
Support Team
Support Team posted this 2 weeks ago

Hi guys,

Thank you for all your comments. We really appreciate the opinion of each of our customers and want to thank you for your understanding.

Sincerely,
Olivia

Hi guys, Thank you for all your comments. We really appreciate the opinion of each of our customers and want to thank you for your understanding. Sincerely, Olivia
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